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	<title>Comments on: Traditional media vs. industrial media</title>
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		<title>By: Ethan Bauley</title>
		<link>http://www.justinkistner.com/archive/traditional-media-vs-industrial-media/#comment-554</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan Bauley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need to write a blog post about this, but I did want to say that I think the DIY/decentralized/cheap characteristics of social media can pre-date the Net.  Amateur ("ham") radio is a good example.

Benkler and Nick Carr battled out this exact debate (radio as social media) back in 2006:

http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2006/07/jason_calacanis.php

Benkler sez:

"Throughout this period [1920's] they [RCA, GE, ATT, etc] manuvered with
Herbert Hoover, then Secretary of Commerce, to regulate the airwaves
so as to shunt the amateurs onto what were thought unusable short
waves, and to crowd all the nonprofit and almost all the
non-patent-pool stations into a single narrow channel, while
reserving separate channel allocations for stations that could afford
expensive broadcast stations and live performers. Amateurs were
prohibited from broadcasting news, or recorded music, etc.

"To say that this process represents an instance in which 'that
nonprofessional network was soon displaced by a smaller set of
commercial radio stations that were better able to fulfill the
desires of the listening public' is, shall we say, not the only way
to characterize that story."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to write a blog post about this, but I did want to say that I think the DIY/decentralized/cheap characteristics of social media can pre-date the Net.  Amateur (&#8221;ham&#8221;) radio is a good example.</p>
<p>Benkler and Nick Carr battled out this exact debate (radio as social media) back in 2006:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2006/07/jason_calacanis.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2006/07/jason_calacanis.php</a></p>
<p>Benkler sez:</p>
<p>&#8220;Throughout this period [1920&#8217;s] they [RCA, GE, ATT, etc] manuvered with<br />
Herbert Hoover, then Secretary of Commerce, to regulate the airwaves<br />
so as to shunt the amateurs onto what were thought unusable short<br />
waves, and to crowd all the nonprofit and almost all the<br />
non-patent-pool stations into a single narrow channel, while<br />
reserving separate channel allocations for stations that could afford<br />
expensive broadcast stations and live performers. Amateurs were<br />
prohibited from broadcasting news, or recorded music, etc.</p>
<p>&#8220;To say that this process represents an instance in which &#8216;that<br />
nonprofessional network was soon displaced by a smaller set of<br />
commercial radio stations that were better able to fulfill the<br />
desires of the listening public&#8217; is, shall we say, not the only way<br />
to characterize that story.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kyra Reed</title>
		<link>http://www.justinkistner.com/archive/traditional-media-vs-industrial-media/#comment-545</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyra Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love it!  I have been engaged in this debate with several people and, until now, was not able to articulate the difference in a meaningful way.  Industrial media is a great term.  It brings clarity to the discussion without discrediting the value of media outlets that we have relied on for decades.  Thanks Justin and Ethan, great discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it!  I have been engaged in this debate with several people and, until now, was not able to articulate the difference in a meaningful way.  Industrial media is a great term.  It brings clarity to the discussion without discrediting the value of media outlets that we have relied on for decades.  Thanks Justin and Ethan, great discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: mr. diggles</title>
		<link>http://www.justinkistner.com/archive/traditional-media-vs-industrial-media/#comment-540</link>
		<dc:creator>mr. diggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zomg!1
much like our economic conundrum, it has to run it's course. 
the more you try to control it, the more it touches your lady parts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zomg!1<br />
much like our economic conundrum, it has to run it&#8217;s course.<br />
the more you try to control it, the more it touches your lady parts.</p>
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